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YLIE2ME
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posted 06-24-2010 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YLIE2ME   Click Here to Email YLIE2ME     Edit/Delete Message
Anyone know who ran this test??

Curious to know what format was used and what the comparisons were. Having only 14 years since birth to work with, certainly limits your time bars?

The youngest person I have ever tested was 16, and it was interesting to say the least.

********************************************Alleged 14-year-old kidnapper fails polygraph test
By Ray Caputo @ June 23, 2010 5:53 PM Permalink | Comments (2) | TrackBacks (0)


9:30 a.m. UPDATE: A judge has allowed 14-year-old Edwin McFarlane off home confinement at a hearing in juvenile court Thursday morning. Prosecutors said they would decide next week whether to drop the false imprisonment charge against McFarlane.

The 14-year-old boy accused of false imprisonment for leading a young girl out of a Burlington Coat Factory may not be coming clean. That's according to the results of a failed lie detector test.

Detectives handling the case have also learned Edwin McFarlane is not exactly the model student. He has been disciplined numerous times by the Lake County School District, once for simulating a sex act in front of female students.

McFarlane faces a juevenile court judge Thursday and will soon learn whether or not charges against him are going to move forward, or be dropped.

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Barry C
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posted 06-24-2010 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C   Click Here to Email Barry C     Edit/Delete Message
Why use time bars at all?

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Taylor
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posted 06-24-2010 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taylor   Click Here to Email Taylor     Edit/Delete Message
I agree...no need for the time bars. I have tested numerous 14 year olds. Lie to parents and others (best friend, teachers, church leaders) and cheating at school are excellent. Also on this case HHI would be good. Once I tested a 12 year old..and got good results. I know of an examiner that once administered a test on a 7 year old and was successful. Each child is different.

Btw, I used a Utah ZCT

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rcgilford
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posted 06-24-2010 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rcgilford   Click Here to Email rcgilford     Edit/Delete Message
You can run a good test w/o time bars. And from the information you posted, there appears to be a lot of background information on this examinee (“not exactly the model student”)

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Ted Todd
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posted 06-24-2010 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ted Todd     Edit/Delete Message
I read a lot of polygraph material and recently came across a study that showed not using time bars has little or no effect on the exam. I can't quote the study but perhaps one of you can???

I also know that time bars are a dead give away to the folks who frequent the Anti-sites.

Ted

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Bill2E
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posted 06-24-2010 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill2E     Edit/Delete Message
I would use controls that are out of the category of the instant offense. Since the offense is one of a sexual nature(?) I would use the lie category for the controls and if I were to bar the controls, it would be with "prior to this incident" time bars. Just my 2 cents worth.

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Barry C
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posted 06-25-2010 07:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C   Click Here to Email Barry C     Edit/Delete Message
Ted,

The most recent published study (although the data was collected many years ago) was by Frank Horvath and Jonh Palmatier. Their research showed higher accuracy with nonexclusive CQs. That is, the data supported the "stop barring them if you want better accuracy" view. In their research, using a barring phrase reduced accuracy with both the truthful and deceptive. At this point, there's really little support to continue to use barring phrases at all.

If you want a copy of the paper, email me. Frank sent me an electronic copy, and I've got access to it here with ease.

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cpolys
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posted 06-25-2010 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpolys     Edit/Delete Message
I've conducted seven examinations this week on individuals between the ages of 13 and 17. Most of these examinations are qualified for various reasons, as there are numerous concerns and considerations that must be made regarding this population of examinees. This specifically includes a lack of empirical data regarding the use of PDD examinations with juveniles and other persons, which includes a large proportion of juveniles who are in systemic contact, who are diagnosed with functional exceptionalities (i.e developmental disabilities, psychiatric disorders, etc.)

When I get a chance, which probably wont be for a week or so, I will address some of these issues, as this is something that I am addressing in my thesis "Psychophysiological Detection of Deception Screening Examinations: Normative Data, Generalizability and Special Populations."

Ray and I will also be presenting regarding this general topic at the Association for the Treatment of Sexual Abusers (ATSA) in October.

Marty

By the way, hope everyone is doing well...its been quiet around here. Even thought I don't get a chance to chime in very often, I access the site habitually in the hope that somethings going on. Thanks for keeping things alive!

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